Not proved that this is our John.

1841 census Salford: Ruins Harwood
John Ramsden/35/Cotton Weaver/Y
Ann/35/Y
Thomas/10/Y
Mary/5/Y
John/2/Y

1861 census Little Bolton Hill
John/H/M/55/Lab General/Bolton
Ann/Wf/M/51/Bolton
Elizabeth B/D/U/20/?brachine Stitcher/Bilton
Ann/D/U/17/ ? in Cotton Mill/Bolton
Nathan/S/12/ ? on cylindrical bleachworks/Bolton
Nancy/D/10/? at cotton mill/Bolton